jack90th
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Post by jack90th on Jun 7, 2008 2:42:01 GMT -5
Hi Folks!
I´d like to buy notched Dogtags for my impression. I know the information, which will stamp on the tags.
But I don´t know some things for my person. Is the spelling correct?
JACK RUSS ELL 18290985 T42 43 A CHARLES R USSELL 74501 PIN E ST MC ALESTE R OK P
In real, McAlester is written togehter (not Mc Alester). How has it to be on the Dogtags? Should I indicate my mom´s name or my dad´s name? What was usually? Did I forget something?
I will be very thankfully for your answers!
Martin
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Dogtags
Jun 7, 2008 22:24:26 GMT -5
Post by barrelhunter on Jun 7, 2008 22:24:26 GMT -5
Martin
Only because dog tags use all capitals McAlester is probably most right being seperated. If you're using "Stamped Out Dogtags" I'd e-mail Rob and ask for his imput, he worked with me on getting mine just right.
Jim
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jack90th
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Post by jack90th on Jun 8, 2008 6:05:43 GMT -5
Martin Only because dog tags use all capitals McAlester is probably most right being seperated. If you're using "Stamped Out Dogtags" I'd e-mail Rob and ask for his imput, he worked with me on getting mine just right. Jim Ok, it´s look like "MCALESTER" will be right. But it´s look strange. After all, can you ask Rob, please? I want to have Dogtags true to original. Martin
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finster
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Post by finster on Jun 8, 2008 9:58:58 GMT -5
Type 1 Dec. 40 to Nov. 41
5 lines of information as follows:
-name, middle initial, surname -serial number and blood type (17 spaces) -next of kin -address, number, street(next of kin) -address city, state
Type 2 Nov. 41 to July 43
5 lines
-name,mi, sur -serial number(first 8 spaces), tetanus(10-12), toxoid (14-15), blood type -next of kin -address, number, street(next of kin) -address city, state + religion(18)
Type 3 July 43 to March 44
3 lines
-name,mi, sur -serial number(first 8 spaces), tetanus(10-12), toxoid (14-15), blood type -blank -blank -religion(still space 18)
Type 4 March 44 to April 46
3 lines
-surname, name, mi -serial number(first 8 spaces), tetanus(10-12), toxoid (14-15), blood type -blank -blank -religion(still space 18)
Regular Army(1940) started with the number 1, followed by second digit indicating corps/service command area, and 6 digits.
Nation Guard(1940) started with 20, followed by corps or service area and 5 digits
Draftees(1940) started with 3, then corps or service area , then 6 numbers.
Officers had a O- prefix followed by 2 to 7 numbers
Warrant Officers had a W prefix with or without hyphen followed by 7 numbers.
there were 9 service areas.
Regular Army :
All serial numbers start with digit 1, while the second digit indicates Corps Area or Service Command .
The War Department allotted a sequence of 100,000 numbers to each "Department", and a series of 1,000,000 numbers to each "Corps" or "Service Command" .
Hawaiian Department = range from 10,100,000 > 10,199,999 Panama Canal Department = range from 10,200,000 > 10,299,999 Philippine Department = range from 10,300,000 > 10,399,999 Puerto Rican Department = range from 10,400,000 > 10,499,999 First Corps Area = range from 11,000,000 > 11,999,999 Second Corps Area = range from 12,000,000 > 12,999,999 Third Corps Area = range from 13,000,000 > 13,999,999 Fourth Corps Area = range from 14,000,000 > 14,999,999 Fifth Corps Area = range from 15,000,000 > 15,999,999 Sixth Corps Area = range from 16,000,000 > 16,999,999 Seventh Corps Area = range from 17,000,000 > 17,999,999 Eighth Corps Area = range from 18,000,000 > 18,999,999 Ninth Corps Area = range from 19,000,000 > 19,999,999
National Guard :
All serial numbers start with digits 20, while the third digit indicates Corps Area or Service Command . The War Department allotted following ranges .
Hawaiian Department = range from 20,010,000 > 20,019,999 Puerto Rican Department = range from 20,020,000 > 20,029,999 First Corps Area = range from 20,100,000 > 20,199,999 Second Corps Area = range from 20,200,000 > 20,299,999 Third Corps Area = range from 20,300,000 > 20,399,999 Fourth Corps Area = range from 20,400,000 > 20,499,999 Fifth Corps Area = range from 20,500,000 > 20,599,999 Sixth Corps Area = range from 20,600,000 > 20,699,999 Seventh Corps Area = range from 20,700,000 > 20,799,999 Eighth Corps Area = range from 20,800,000 > 20,899,999 Ninth Corps Area = range from 20,900,000 > 20,999,999
Draftees :
All serial numbers start with digit 3, followed by the second digit indicating Corps Area or Service Command . The War Department allotted following ranges .
Hawaiian Department = range from 30,100,000 > 30,199,999 Panama Canal Department = range from 30,200,000 > 30,299,999 Philippine Department = range from 30,300,000 > 33,399,999 Puerto Rican Department = range from 30,400,000 > 30,499,999 First Corps Area = range from 31,000,000 > 31,999,999 Second Corps Area = range from 32,000,000 > 32,999,999 Third Corps Area = range from 33,000,000 > 33,999,999 Fourth Corps Area = range from 34,000,000 > 34,999,999 Fifth Corps Area = range from 35,000,000 > 35,999,999 Sixth Corps Area = range from 36,000,000 > 36,999,999 Seventh Corps Area = range from 37,000,000 > 37,999,999 Eighth Corps Area = range from 38,000,000 > 38,999,999 Ninth Corps Area = range from 39,000,000 > 39,999,999
Army areas were states grouped together to form the army. They are indicated by the second digit. Army ares are as follows: First Army Area
First Corps Area (Maine-New Hampshire-Vermont-Massachusetts-Rhode Island-Connecticut) HQ=Boston, Mass. Second Corps Area (New Jersey-Delaware-New York) HQ=Governors Island, N.Y. Third Corps Area (Pennsylvania-Maryland-Virginia-District of Columbia) HQ=Baltimore, Md.
Second Army Area
Fifth Corps Area (Ohio-West Virginia-Indiana-Kentucky) HQ=Ft. Hayes, Ohio Sixth Corps Area (Illinois-Michigan-Wisconsin) HQ=Chicago, Ill.
Third Army Area
Fourth Corps Area (North Carolina-South Carolina-Georgia-Florida-Alabama-Tennessee-Mississippi-Louisiana) HQ=Atlanta, Ga. Eighth Corps Area (Texas-Oklahoma-Colorado-New Mexico-Arizona (partly) HQ= Ft. Sam Houston, Tex.
Fourth Army Area
Seventh Corps Area (Missouri-Kansas-Arkansas-Iowa-Nebraska-Minnesota-North Dakota-South Dakota) HQ=Omaha, Nebr. Ninth Corps Area (Washington-Oregon-Idaho-Montana-Wyoming-Utah-Nevada-Arizona (partly)-California-Alaska (attached) HQ=Presidio of San Francisco, Calif.
There were also 4 other Departments (US overseas possessions): Hawaii, Panama Canal Zone, Puerto Rico and the Philippines (prior to their seizure by Japan)
So, a draftee from Ohio might have a number such as this: 35438374
I have paperwork for a soldier who had served before ww2 and reenlisted in Korea and had kept the same serial number. I also have a copy of orders of his from where he and several others were detailed as escorts for German POWs here in the states. It lists the names of the GI's and thier serial numbers. The gentleman I have and several others who were prior service have serial numbers starting with a 6 followed by 6 more numbers. His is 6941209 He would have been under 3rd Corps as he was from Penn, but the second digit is a 9, not a 3. I believe the number was just a random one issued at the time.. He went in originally in the late 30's.
Religion stamps on the tags were of one of 4 types.
C- Catholic P- Protestant H- Hebrew blank- no religous preference
Most modern machines will spit the WW2 type tags out on that 5th line..
Stamps are pressed in, not out like modern tags. WW2 tags have the notch, modern ones don't.
As for the necklace, several types were used. First models were of cotton, plastic, nylon, or rayon. The chain style with the hooks was being sold in the PX at the time and were quite popular. These eventually became the issue type around early 43. The beaded chains began to be sold in the PX's around mid 1943. They eventually became standard issue. I have a set still in the issue wrapper dated 1945. The cotton I have seen is both similar to a white cotton shoelace(which it may be) and white hbt type cloth(like used for reenforcement by seamstresses) Brown bootlaces also. I have also seen paracord used. That is what I use at the moment. This can be either white or green. There were the black or red rubber silencers during the later part of the war. They are the exception, not the rule tho. If you dont want them to make noise, tape them together. Use medical tape(thicker type, not the thin silky type, the heavy cotton type) or dark cloth tape like used for bats for better grip. That's the closest I;ve found to the old type engineer tape. You are permited to wear one(1) religous medalion on the chain with the tags. It's in the Army regs, but I don't know which one off hand..
McAlester would be 1 word. I've got more with mom's or wife's name. I do have some with girlfriends and fathers or brothers too, but most are mothers.
Fins.
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Dogtags
Jun 8, 2008 11:45:01 GMT -5
Post by barrelhunter on Jun 8, 2008 11:45:01 GMT -5
Martin Mark is most probably right but I've e-mailed Rob to see what his manuals say. He's part of the "Graphotype forum" as well as the big forum so he'll have the regs on hand. stampedout.net/What I like about his buisness is he answers e-mails and has all the toys including the PX purchase rayon cords in branch specific colors...colorfor you Europeans. I grabbed Infantry Blue and Cav Yellow for my issue tags dependent on why I've got to wear the greens or who I'm trying to tick off. Jim
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jack90th
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Jun 10, 2008 11:25:27 GMT -5
Post by jack90th on Jun 10, 2008 11:25:27 GMT -5
Thanks, that´s great! Do you know a vendor, who uses 6380 series machines which have upper and lower letter styles?
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Jun 11, 2008 19:42:13 GMT -5
Post by barrelhunter on Jun 11, 2008 19:42:13 GMT -5
Martin
If you go to Robs page he lists what machines vendors own as part of the Graphotype Registry. But as he's said the 6380 and 6340 both have lower case "c".
Jim
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